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hello

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and welcome to episode number 58 of the

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point of convergence podcast as always i

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am your host exo academian

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last time on this podcast we discussed

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jacques vallee's groundbreaking and

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genre stretching book passport to

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magonia from folklore to flying saucers

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which highlights striking parallels

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between elements found within what's

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commonly referred to as the ufo

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phenomenon and distant tales that come

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to us from so-called fairy lore

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that is to say once you crack the veneer

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of more recent 20th and 21st century

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encounters with what are assumed to be

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spacecraft being piloted by alien beings

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who've supposedly traveled across the

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vast distances of the cosmos to get here

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and the stories of our ancestors

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encounters with the likes of fawns

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fairies and goblins from the annals of

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human history the degree of overlap is

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as startling as it is at least from

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belay's perspective potentially

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revealing

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pus succinctly the lay and others since

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he first penned this book in the late

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1960s have wondered if perhaps some kind

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of intelligence has been interacting

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with human beings throughout the entire

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course of our history and either that

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we've just interpreted them differently

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because of our changing assumptions

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about reality or that the very manner in

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which they appear to us is partly

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determined by cultural constructs

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incidentally this latter possibility may

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even explain some of the differences

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noted not only across time but also

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between different cultures existing

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contemporaneously around the world

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when one peruses the full breadth of the

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history of these kinds of interactions

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with beings that appear to be decidedly

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one particular element stands out

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here i speak of the degree of absurdity

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elsewhere described as ridiculousness

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that arises in many of these cases

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and again this is often as true of cases

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of what at first glance appear to be

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standard extraterrestrials flying

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spacecraft as it does of theories

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abducting human beings and then

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returning them only after having altered

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that individual's relationship with

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space-time in one way or another at

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least temporarily

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while we might ignore elements of

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absurdity apparent in historic cases of

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fairy lore because after all few modern

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people take these stories seriously to

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begin with

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after all their fairy tales as genre

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many take to mean made up or not real or

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fantastical

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however what is disconcerting to some

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who like to cling to a standard

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extraterrestrial hypothesis to explain

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modern incidences of the ufo phenomenon

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hereto the accounts provided reveal

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elements of what appears to be pure

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that surely have no place if we're

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traveling from exoplanets to survey our

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why the absurdity and why so often what

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attributable to errors and translation

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or something equally banal

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or is this seeming ridiculousness

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pointing to something more central

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something serving perhaps as a signpost

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pointing towards the murky origin of

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these various non-human others or at

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these are the very matters we'll seek to

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let's begin this week's podcast with a

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definition what do we mean when we use

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this term absurd

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absurdity is the quality or state of

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being ridiculous or wildly unreasonable

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an example i found was quote thinking

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you can wear flip-flops and a bikini to

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the north pole is an absurd idea

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if you run into someone dressed in an

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absurd outfit or watch a movie full of

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absurd jokes you'll probably have a good

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in other words it means utterly or

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obviously senseless illogical or untrue

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laughably foolish or false so it's the

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extreme nature of the falseness or the

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foolishness here that reveals something

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that absurdity is always context

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dependent something can only be regarded

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as absurd in comparison with a norm that

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is how it's defined in other words which

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is always a social construct

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in other words what's considered absurd

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in one culture might not necessarily be

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conversation with different points of

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familiarity with the data behind the ufo

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phenomenon perhaps some people are not

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familiar with the absurd nature of some

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of the data so we should go over some of

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now while we as a culture as a society

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expectations assume these others buzzing

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in and around our skies are space aliens

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some of the details of people's

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encounters with them stretch this

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explanation

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or at the very least the interactions to

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fire conventional expectations of what

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space aliens would look like and do

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how they would conduct their affairs and

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what they'd be interested in all of

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these matters are stretched when you

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actually read about people's encounters

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with these supposed space aliens they

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don't do what we expect them to do they

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often don't look like what we expect

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them to look like now again our

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assumptions could be wrong our

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expectations again are culturally

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dependent so those could be off

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nevertheless what we find seems absurd

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and we'll discuss more why that's the

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we should also point out that even the

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crafts themselves sometimes when

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examined closely don't often resemble

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what we assume to be advanced

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technological devices

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is it possible that this is because

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they're simply so advanced that they

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defy even our imagination of what such

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vehicles would look like

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perhaps but this begs the question

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why do they engage in other activities

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that seem so counter to our expectations

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of what an advanced alien species would

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here we think of the bizarre and often

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unnecessarily invasive and painful

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medical procedures conducted

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and various elements of their supposed

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hybridization programs what is that

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about why would space aliens want our

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dna to begin with and even if they did

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why can't they just raid a sperm bank

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covertly why the need for the bizarre

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near ritualistic practices which again

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look quite similar to ritualistic

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practices from distant human lore as

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so so far we've touched on the way they

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look their appearance and how that seems

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to fly in the face of what we might

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expect from a space alien for instance

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why do they look so humanoid and

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sometimes quite human and if not human

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being that might have evolved on the

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earth if they're coming from a distant

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planet with supposedly a completely

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different ecosystem different

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environmental conditions why would the

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evolutionary process produce a being so

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much like one that might have arisen on

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the earth that's the first thing the

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often they don't look like the kind of

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vehicles that have traveled across the

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cosmos at least what we would expect now

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again we could be wrong about that our

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expectations could be off but

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that is surprising now another data

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is the origin that these others

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very clear that we think they're space

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aliens coming from some exoplanet but

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sometimes the answer that has been

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provided historically doesn't make sense

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either right away you talk to an

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doesn't make sense what they're saying

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or what they say is so vague that you

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can't possibly place it on a star map

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doesn't know enough about space to know

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that or they'll give some sort of

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location that at the time seems

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plausible but as the decades go on and

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we learn more about the cosmos we find

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that such a location isn't likely at all

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so why would they give these seemingly

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absurd answers when they could give

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answers that would at least be

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intelligible and commonsensical why do

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they give us these answers that in

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retrospect sometimes just seem absurd on

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the face of it

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now one possibility that we've discussed

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on this podcast in previous episodes

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touches on what some intel has exposed

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suggesting that perhaps these others at

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least some of them are actually future

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humans who are merely telling us their

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space aliens so as to cover over their

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true origin and to keep us in the dark

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as to their intention to change our

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timeline our very future by their

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presence in our midst in other words if

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they're actually humans from here but

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from the future they might give us a

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false answer to throw us off their scent

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but again you would still ask the

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question why give absurd answers though

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if they know us well and they know our

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timeline well after all we're supposed

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to be their ancestors why wouldn't they

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be able to give an intelligible answer

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to cover their tracks even more again

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why the need for seemingly absurd

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responses to the question as to where

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they're coming from

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that on any one of these matters you

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might excuse it and say it's not such a

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big deal but when you look at the

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pattern of data in a totality you begin

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to wonder why there's so many elements

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that seem slightly off not quite what we

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would expect

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mere expectations being wrong our

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assumptions being off base but it does

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make you wonder

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now perhaps so far you're just not that

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convinced when you hear the data points

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up too much in your mind perhaps you can

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excuse all of that as just being errors

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in translation or an issue with our

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expectations being off or what have you

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but the elements of absurdity go much

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beyond those go far beyond those

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let's now discuss a very specific case

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related to something we talked about

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last week and how absurdity seems to be

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baked into the very core

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of this case and i use the word baked as

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a bit of a play on words there you'll

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understand why in a moment again this is

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a case we discussed last week in brief

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in the discussion about passport to

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magonia i would like to revisit it now

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and then consider each of the elements

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within this case

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quoting again from jacques villa's

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passport to magonia quote

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it was an unusual day for the food and

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drug laboratory of the u.s department of

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health education and welfare when the

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air force requested an analysis of a

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piece of wheat cake that had been cooked

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aboard a flying saucer the human being

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who had obtained the cake was joe

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simmons a 60 year old chicken farmer who

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lived alone in a small house in the

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vicinity of eagle river wisconsin

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he was given three cakes ate one of them

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and thought it tasted like cardboard the

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air force put it more scientifically

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quote the cake was composed of

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hydrogenated fat starch buckwheat holes

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soybean holes wheat bran

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bacteria and radiation readings were

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normal for this material

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chemical infrared and other destructive

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type tests were run on the material

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the food and drug laboratory of the us

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department of health education and

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welfare concluded that the material was

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an ordinary pancake of terrestrial

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origin

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where did it come from

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the reader will have to decide for

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himself what he chooses to believe after

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reading the second chapter

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it begins with the eagle river incident

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because this is a first-hand account

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given by a man of absolute sincerity

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speaking for the u.s air force dr alan

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heineck who investigated the case along

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with major robert friend and an officer

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from sawyer air force base stated quote

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there is no question that mr simmons

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felt that his contact had been a real

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experience unquote

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and now let's get to the incident itself

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quoting again from the book quote

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the time was approximately 11 am on

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april 18

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when joe simonton was attracted outside

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by a peculiar noise similar to knobby

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tires on wet pavement

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stepping into his yard he faced a

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silvery saucer-shaped object brighter

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than chrome which appeared to be

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hovering close to the ground without

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actually touching it

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the object was about 12 feet high and 30

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feet in diameter

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a hatch opened about five feet from the

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ground and simmington saw three men

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inside the machine

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one of them was dressed in a black

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two-piece suit the occupants were about

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five feet in height smooth shaven they

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appeared to resemble italians they had

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dark hair and skin and wore outfits with

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turtleneck tops and knit helmets

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one of the men held up a jug apparently

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made of the same material as the saucer

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his motions to joe simonton seemed to

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indicate that he needed water

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simmington took the jug went inside the

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house and filled it as he returned he

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saw that one of the men inside the

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saucer was frying food on a flameless

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grill of some sort

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the interior of the ship was black the

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color of wrought iron

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siminton who could see several

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instrument panels heard a slow whining

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sound similar to the hum of a generator

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when he made a motion indicating he was

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interested in the food that was being

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prepared one of the men who was also

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dressed in black but with a narrow red

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trim along the trousers handed him three

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cakes about three inches in diameter and

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perforated with small holes

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the whole affair had lasted about five

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minutes

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finally the man closest to the witness

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attached a kind of belt to a hook in his

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clothing and closed the hatch in such a

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way that cementing could scarcely detect

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its outline

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then the object rose about 20 feet from

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the ground before taking off straight

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south causing a blast of air that bowed

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some nearby pine trees

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along the edge of the saucer the witness

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recalls were exhaust pipes six or seven

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inches in diameter the hatch was about

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six feet high and 30 inches wide and

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although the object has always been

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described as a saucer its shape was that

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of two inverted bowls unquote

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now in a moment we'll get to what the

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air force concluded about this case and

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what psychologists in nearby dayton ohio

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also signed off on in terms of the

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explanation of what actually happened

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because as i'm sure you'll agree there

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are some very strange elements strange

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bedfellows that you don't usually get

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together in a ufo incident

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but before we go much further i want to

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remind you that in addition to seeing a

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flying saucer and encountering

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supposedly alien beings jose simonton

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was also given an artifact given these

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three pancakes two of which were handed

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over to the us air force and those were

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subsequently analyzed so we have here an

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artifact manifesting in consensus

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reality i want you to keep that in mind

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because that is key this clearly cannot

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be purely a waking dream because if that

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was the case where did the pancakes come

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from

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i also want to remind you that people

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like j ellen heineck were involved with

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this case so there is a high bar to pass

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in terms of credibility of the witness

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and apparently simmington passed that

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with flying colors

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so you can't merely dismiss this as a

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witness who's lying or is delusional

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and even if you want to do that in this

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case there are many other cases just

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like it and surely you can't dismiss

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them all because at that point you're

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just basically excluding evidence that

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you find inconvenient

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okay now let's touch on some of the

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elements from this case from this

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narrative that is described by joe

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simmons and we'll touch on both ones

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that seem to fit with a saucer narrative

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in other words et's flying a craft and

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other elements that don't seem to fit at

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all that seem to be jagged right angle

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fits in terms of that narrative

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first of all he's drawn outside by a

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sound that's not uncommon that's quite

448
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common for these kinds of cases and one

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would expect that that might happen

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nothing strange there

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00:17:20,309 --> 00:17:17,839
now next we hear that stepping into his

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yard he faced a silvery saucer shaped

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object brighter than chrome which

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appeared to be hovering close to the

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ground without actually touching it

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now again perfectly reasonable

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saucer shaped brighter than chrome not

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00:17:35,990 --> 00:17:33,840
actually touching the ground that all

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sounds like a ufo sounds like a

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sophisticated vehicle operating advanced

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technology all good so far but then we

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get to this point a hatch opened about

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five feet from the ground and simmington

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saw three men inside the machine about

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five feet in height smooth shaven they

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appeared to quote resemble italians

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unquote

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now again if these are space aliens

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why are they looking anything like

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humans let alone humans that are so

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specific that we can even attach a

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certain ethnicity to them

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very strange

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and we should also point out that their

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height which is somewhat lower than

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average is quite common in these cases

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as well that's a big part of this

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literature is that the beings whether

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the small grays or what have you

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often seem to be not quite the height of

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conventional human beings

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which again you could argue points more

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towards some sort of non-conventional

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human species existing on the earth or

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some breakaway civilization that seems

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more likely than space aliens who just

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happen to look human and so human that

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we can say hey they look like italians

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all right next element

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one of the men held up a jug apparently

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made of the same material as a saucer

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okay that's reasonable could be the same

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material but then he motions to joe

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simmerton seeming to indicate that he

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needed water

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really so they're out flying their

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spacecraft and they run out of water

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which they keep in a jug so much so they

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have to stop and ask for some even

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stranger this is quite common there are

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cases like this going back into the 19th

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century even when the so-called airships

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would land and beings that looked like

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human beings would ask for various

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materials including things like water or

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some kind of food

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again not what you'd expect a space

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alien to do you come all the way from

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alpha centauri but you forget to bring

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enough water or perhaps draw a shuttle

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taking a day trip from the mother ship

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that's orbiting the earth in stealth

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perhaps for the sake of argument let's

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say that's what's happening really you

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don't bring enough water to last the

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whole voyage

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again seems like a stretch if it's the

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alien ufo narrative we're going with

519
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next we hear that simultan took the jug

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went inside the house and filled it as

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he returned he saw that one of the men

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inside the saucer was quote frying food

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on a flameless grill of some sort

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unquote

525
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so again really you're in a spacecraft

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and you're using a flameless grill

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again i guess it's possible that you're

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frying food that way i would think they

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would at least have microwaves or

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something but no they're frying food

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okay we'll accept that moving on

532
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simmington who could see several

533
00:20:19,190 --> 00:20:16,480
instrument panels heard a slow whining

534
00:20:21,029 --> 00:20:19,200
sound similar to the hum of a generator

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00:20:23,270 --> 00:20:21,039
again sounds reasonable they have to

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00:20:25,669 --> 00:20:23,280
power it somehow he saw instrument

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00:20:27,830 --> 00:20:25,679
panels we'd expect that with ufos right

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if they're space alien craft and

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00:20:32,390 --> 00:20:29,600
presumably you would hear some sort of

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engine even if it's an anti-grav engine

541
00:20:36,630 --> 00:20:34,480
then finally we hear the whole affair

542
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had lasted about five minutes finally

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the man closest to the witness attached

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a kind of belt to a hook in his clothing

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00:20:44,549 --> 00:20:42,960
and closed the hatch that sounds like a

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strange way to do that from a

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00:20:48,950 --> 00:20:46,799
technological point of view but okay but

548
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then we hear that he closed the hatch in

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such a way that cemented could scarcely

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00:20:57,029 --> 00:20:53,840
detect its outline now that does sound

551
00:20:59,590 --> 00:20:57,039
high-tech that the seamless nature of

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00:21:01,750 --> 00:20:59,600
the ports and whatnot we hear about that

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00:21:04,070 --> 00:21:01,760
that there's no rivets no bolts nothing

554
00:21:06,310 --> 00:21:04,080
like that it seems to be a seamless

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00:21:07,909 --> 00:21:06,320
exterior texture that fits with that

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00:21:10,310 --> 00:21:07,919
narrative right there

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00:21:12,070 --> 00:21:10,320
then we hear the object rose about 20

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00:21:14,070 --> 00:21:12,080
feet from the ground before taking off

559
00:21:16,470 --> 00:21:14,080
straight south causing a blast of air

560
00:21:18,789 --> 00:21:16,480
that bowed some nearby pine trees so

561
00:21:21,430 --> 00:21:18,799
once again there we have a case of

562
00:21:23,750 --> 00:21:21,440
manifest reality being impacted by this

563
00:21:26,549 --> 00:21:23,760
craft when the pine trees bend over

564
00:21:28,310 --> 00:21:26,559
according to simmons account

565
00:21:30,549 --> 00:21:28,320
so looking back at the elements we just

566
00:21:33,750 --> 00:21:30,559
discussed there are some that fit your

567
00:21:36,070 --> 00:21:33,760
typical et flying a spacecraft kind of

568
00:21:37,990 --> 00:21:36,080
narrative and other elements that stick

569
00:21:39,830 --> 00:21:38,000
out like sore thumbs that don't make any

570
00:21:41,750 --> 00:21:39,840
sense whatsoever that if you're honest

571
00:21:43,270 --> 00:21:41,760
with yourself you have to say

572
00:21:45,830 --> 00:21:43,280
that's the furthest thing from what you

573
00:21:47,669 --> 00:21:45,840
expected from space aliens

574
00:21:50,230 --> 00:21:47,679
what are we to make of that that's

575
00:21:52,149 --> 00:21:50,240
exactly the kind of absurdity that valet

576
00:21:53,990 --> 00:21:52,159
and others are pointing to

577
00:21:56,149 --> 00:21:54,000
and of course valet goes further than

578
00:21:58,390 --> 00:21:56,159
that and we touched on this last week

579
00:22:00,789 --> 00:21:58,400
discussing these same kinds of elements

580
00:22:02,149 --> 00:22:00,799
showing up in fairy lore even to the

581
00:22:04,230 --> 00:22:02,159
point where they would show up and ask

582
00:22:06,630 --> 00:22:04,240
for things like water because that's

583
00:22:08,870 --> 00:22:06,640
supposedly what they drink only water

584
00:22:11,430 --> 00:22:08,880
and they handed him cakes and just like

585
00:22:13,909 --> 00:22:11,440
joe simmons they often provide food that

586
00:22:15,909 --> 00:22:13,919
is saltless by the way and when they did

587
00:22:18,549 --> 00:22:15,919
the examination the analysis of these

588
00:22:21,990 --> 00:22:18,559
pancakes they had no salt apparently so

589
00:22:24,789 --> 00:22:22,000
again valet draws that parallel as well

590
00:22:26,390 --> 00:22:24,799
so while some are incredulous and refuse

591
00:22:28,630 --> 00:22:26,400
to believe that this has anything to do

592
00:22:31,510 --> 00:22:28,640
with fairy lore you've got elements that

593
00:22:33,830 --> 00:22:31,520
don't at all fit with your typical e.t

594
00:22:36,310 --> 00:22:33,840
alien kind of hypothesis

595
00:22:38,549 --> 00:22:36,320
and they do have elements that fit with

596
00:22:41,110 --> 00:22:38,559
the stories we hear from distant human

597
00:22:43,110 --> 00:22:41,120
lore regarding the fey

598
00:22:45,270 --> 00:22:43,120
why would that be the case we have to

599
00:22:47,430 --> 00:22:45,280
make sense of that

600
00:22:49,350 --> 00:22:47,440
now one wonders how would the air force

601
00:22:51,909 --> 00:22:49,360
resolve this case what would they

602
00:22:55,110 --> 00:22:51,919
conclude about the bizarre juxtaposition

603
00:22:57,750 --> 00:22:55,120
of weird elements that appeared together

604
00:23:00,070 --> 00:22:57,760
well valet says quote the eagle river

605
00:23:02,149 --> 00:23:00,080
case has never been solved the air force

606
00:23:04,710 --> 00:23:02,159
believes that joe simmons who lived

607
00:23:07,110 --> 00:23:04,720
alone had a sudden dream while he was

608
00:23:10,149 --> 00:23:07,120
awake and inserted his dream into the

609
00:23:11,750 --> 00:23:10,159
continuum of events around him of which

610
00:23:13,990 --> 00:23:11,760
he was conscious

611
00:23:16,789 --> 00:23:14,000
i understand several psychologists in

612
00:23:19,350 --> 00:23:16,799
dayton ohio are quite satisfied with his

613
00:23:21,350 --> 00:23:19,360
explanation and so are most serious

614
00:23:24,870 --> 00:23:21,360
amateur ufologists

615
00:23:27,270 --> 00:23:24,880
alas ufology like psychology has become

616
00:23:29,270 --> 00:23:27,280
such a narrow field of specialization

617
00:23:31,510 --> 00:23:29,280
that the experts have no time left for

618
00:23:33,990 --> 00:23:31,520
general culture they are so busy

619
00:23:35,590 --> 00:23:34,000
rationalizing the dreams of other people

620
00:23:36,390 --> 00:23:35,600
that they themselves do not dream

621
00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:36,400
anymore

622
00:23:40,870 --> 00:23:38,880
nor did they read fairy tales if they

623
00:23:43,029 --> 00:23:40,880
did they would perhaps take a much

624
00:23:45,029 --> 00:23:43,039
closer look at joe simmons and his

625
00:23:47,750 --> 00:23:45,039
pancakes they would know about the

626
00:23:49,269 --> 00:23:47,760
gentry and the food from fairyland

627
00:23:51,990 --> 00:23:49,279
unquote

628
00:23:53,990 --> 00:23:52,000
now along with valet i find it bizarre

629
00:23:55,750 --> 00:23:54,000
almost hilarious what the air force

630
00:23:58,710 --> 00:23:55,760
concludes along with several

631
00:24:00,950 --> 00:23:58,720
psychologists in dayton ohio

632
00:24:03,430 --> 00:24:00,960
no serious explanation is offered as to

633
00:24:05,510 --> 00:24:03,440
how someone would insert a dream into

634
00:24:06,950 --> 00:24:05,520
the continuum of their waking and

635
00:24:09,430 --> 00:24:06,960
walking events

636
00:24:11,990 --> 00:24:09,440
that's never explained rather what we

637
00:24:13,990 --> 00:24:12,000
see here is that we have a notion of how

638
00:24:15,830 --> 00:24:14,000
reality works certain things happen in

639
00:24:17,510 --> 00:24:15,840
dreams and certain other things happen

640
00:24:19,669 --> 00:24:17,520
when you're awake and all they've done

641
00:24:21,430 --> 00:24:19,679
here is said aha these are dreamlike

642
00:24:23,750 --> 00:24:21,440
things so we'll just smash those

643
00:24:25,909 --> 00:24:23,760
together into this waking state without

644
00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:25,919
explaining exactly how that happened

645
00:24:31,269 --> 00:24:28,320
and then our prevailing understanding of

646
00:24:33,269 --> 00:24:31,279
how the world works is protected notice

647
00:24:34,870 --> 00:24:33,279
both the air force and psychologists in

648
00:24:37,269 --> 00:24:34,880
dayton ohio were okay with this

649
00:24:39,110 --> 00:24:37,279
explanation but when you really examine

650
00:24:41,350 --> 00:24:39,120
it it doesn't make any sense it's

651
00:24:43,909 --> 00:24:41,360
actually not explaining anything it's

652
00:24:46,310 --> 00:24:43,919
just piecing together a narrative after

653
00:24:49,029 --> 00:24:46,320
the fact that allows for the

654
00:24:51,830 --> 00:24:49,039
preservation of the current mainstream

655
00:24:54,470 --> 00:24:51,840
understanding of what is possible in our

656
00:24:57,350 --> 00:24:54,480
reality in other words that's a farce of

657
00:24:59,350 --> 00:24:57,360
an investigation perhaps you'll agree

658
00:25:02,070 --> 00:24:59,360
now of course according to how science

659
00:25:04,070 --> 00:25:02,080
should be conducted when you come across

660
00:25:06,789 --> 00:25:04,080
outlier data that doesn't fit with your

661
00:25:09,430 --> 00:25:06,799
prevailing worldview your paradigm

662
00:25:11,269 --> 00:25:09,440
you should investigate all the more

663
00:25:13,269 --> 00:25:11,279
because this could be a very valuable

664
00:25:16,230 --> 00:25:13,279
clue telling you that something about

665
00:25:18,870 --> 00:25:16,240
your current paradigm is incomplete

666
00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:18,880
alas that's often not what happens often

667
00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:21,760
what happens is the inconvenient data is

668
00:25:26,310 --> 00:25:24,480
just explained away dismissed or

669
00:25:28,630 --> 00:25:26,320
ridiculed that's been the history of the

670
00:25:30,630 --> 00:25:28,640
ufo phenomenon of course and that's why

671
00:25:32,630 --> 00:25:30,640
we've made so little progress after all

672
00:25:34,870 --> 00:25:32,640
these decades

673
00:25:37,110 --> 00:25:34,880
now i would argue that jacques villa

674
00:25:39,590 --> 00:25:37,120
himself has changed his perspective a

675
00:25:41,269 --> 00:25:39,600
few times or at least shifted somewhat

676
00:25:42,549 --> 00:25:41,279
in terms of how he deals with this

677
00:25:44,390 --> 00:25:42,559
absurdity

678
00:25:45,590 --> 00:25:44,400
this is what he was known as saying at

679
00:25:46,470 --> 00:25:45,600
one point

680
00:25:48,149 --> 00:25:46,480
quote

681
00:25:50,310 --> 00:25:48,159
there is a feeling that i get in the

682
00:25:52,789 --> 00:25:50,320
course of my investigations of being in

683
00:25:54,950 --> 00:25:52,799
the presence of a form of consciousness

684
00:25:57,110 --> 00:25:54,960
that is truly remarkable

685
00:25:59,669 --> 00:25:57,120
that consciousness has a great sense of

686
00:26:01,990 --> 00:25:59,679
absurdity and also a great sense of

687
00:26:03,350 --> 00:26:02,000
humor the bottom line is that i feel

688
00:26:05,590 --> 00:26:03,360
that i have learned something out of

689
00:26:07,909 --> 00:26:05,600
this whole exercise and as long as i'm

690
00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:07,919
continuing to learn something i'm going

691
00:26:14,149 --> 00:26:11,760
to continue to do it unquote

692
00:26:16,149 --> 00:26:14,159
now more recently of course valet has

693
00:26:19,029 --> 00:26:16,159
talked more about these kinds of absurd

694
00:26:20,549 --> 00:26:19,039
events or elements as perhaps being a

695
00:26:22,789 --> 00:26:20,559
coded message

696
00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:22,799
we think of his book trinity the best

697
00:26:27,590 --> 00:26:24,720
kept secret which he co-authored along

698
00:26:30,390 --> 00:26:27,600
with paola harris which talked about a

699
00:26:33,190 --> 00:26:30,400
craft that crashed very soon after the

700
00:26:36,470 --> 00:26:33,200
very first ever atomic bomb test and in

701
00:26:39,510 --> 00:26:36,480
the very same area as where that test

702
00:26:41,510 --> 00:26:39,520
was conducted valet and harris and

703
00:26:44,230 --> 00:26:41,520
others have postulated that perhaps that

704
00:26:46,230 --> 00:26:44,240
crash wasn't a crash at all and that we

705
00:26:47,190 --> 00:26:46,240
shouldn't look at it merely at face

706
00:26:49,110 --> 00:26:47,200
value

707
00:26:51,029 --> 00:26:49,120
but rather see it as

708
00:26:53,029 --> 00:26:51,039
some kind of intelligence saying hey hey

709
00:26:55,190 --> 00:26:53,039
look over here we need to bring your

710
00:26:57,269 --> 00:26:55,200
attention right here and of course

711
00:27:00,390 --> 00:26:57,279
what's happening right there at that

712
00:27:02,870 --> 00:27:00,400
time it's the detonating of an atomic

713
00:27:05,350 --> 00:27:02,880
bomb as part of a test but again as

714
00:27:06,950 --> 00:27:05,360
valet points out in that book it was a

715
00:27:08,950 --> 00:27:06,960
massive bomb

716
00:27:10,310 --> 00:27:08,960
so again in other words the coded

717
00:27:12,310 --> 00:27:10,320
message there

718
00:27:14,390 --> 00:27:12,320
is that crashes in the desert are

719
00:27:16,470 --> 00:27:14,400
actually more like signal flares

720
00:27:18,789 --> 00:27:16,480
designed to draw our attention to the

721
00:27:20,549 --> 00:27:18,799
dangers of atomic weapons

722
00:27:23,430 --> 00:27:20,559
we know of course that it didn't just

723
00:27:25,669 --> 00:27:23,440
happen there at the trinity test site it

724
00:27:27,990 --> 00:27:25,679
also happened in roswell which is also

725
00:27:29,590 --> 00:27:28,000
close to where atomic bombs were being

726
00:27:31,029 --> 00:27:29,600
tested

727
00:27:32,710 --> 00:27:31,039
so again there's different ways that

728
00:27:37,029 --> 00:27:32,720
valet and others have tried to make

729
00:27:39,190 --> 00:27:37,039
sense of this absurdity over time

730
00:27:40,789 --> 00:27:39,200
because absurdity doesn't have to mean

731
00:27:43,350 --> 00:27:40,799
meaningless and it's important to make

732
00:27:45,190 --> 00:27:43,360
that distinction sometimes the absurdity

733
00:27:47,590 --> 00:27:45,200
provides a kind of meaning that you

734
00:27:49,430 --> 00:27:47,600
couldn't arrive at otherwise

735
00:27:52,149 --> 00:27:49,440
for instance valet has often talked

736
00:27:54,630 --> 00:27:52,159
about this as being a kind of koan move

737
00:27:56,389 --> 00:27:54,640
and here we think of koans in terms of

738
00:27:58,710 --> 00:27:56,399
zen buddhism

739
00:28:01,350 --> 00:27:58,720
in fact valley has been quoted as saying

740
00:28:03,350 --> 00:28:01,360
about these situations that they quote

741
00:28:06,630 --> 00:28:03,360
often have the deep poetic and

742
00:28:08,789 --> 00:28:06,640
paradoxical quality of eastern religious

743
00:28:12,230 --> 00:28:08,799
tales unquote

744
00:28:14,789 --> 00:28:12,240
in a 1978 interview with fate magazine

745
00:28:16,470 --> 00:28:14,799
he described this further saying quote

746
00:28:18,549 --> 00:28:16,480
if you're trying to express something

747
00:28:20,630 --> 00:28:18,559
which is beyond the comprehension of a

748
00:28:23,430 --> 00:28:20,640
subject you have to do it through

749
00:28:25,110 --> 00:28:23,440
statements that appear contradictory or

750
00:28:27,750 --> 00:28:25,120
seem absurd

751
00:28:30,549 --> 00:28:27,760
for example in zen buddhism the seeker

752
00:28:33,510 --> 00:28:30,559
must deal with such concepts as quote

753
00:28:36,389 --> 00:28:33,520
the sound of one hand clapping unquote

754
00:28:39,029 --> 00:28:36,399
an apparently preposterous notion which

755
00:28:41,190 --> 00:28:39,039
is designed to break down ordinary ways

756
00:28:43,110 --> 00:28:41,200
of thinking unquote

757
00:28:44,549 --> 00:28:43,120
so again the point here is this is

758
00:28:46,630 --> 00:28:44,559
pointing towards some sort of

759
00:28:48,470 --> 00:28:46,640
metallogical device

760
00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:48,480
that when the way we think about the

761
00:28:52,789 --> 00:28:50,640
world itself is the problem

762
00:28:55,430 --> 00:28:52,799
perhaps absurdity would be used as a

763
00:28:58,389 --> 00:28:55,440
kind of koan move to break us out of

764
00:29:00,310 --> 00:28:58,399
that thinking to open up intuitive ways

765
00:29:02,630 --> 00:29:00,320
of seeing reality differently and

766
00:29:04,470 --> 00:29:02,640
perhaps more directly

767
00:29:06,070 --> 00:29:04,480
so so far we've covered a couple of

768
00:29:08,870 --> 00:29:06,080
different ways that people have tried to

769
00:29:11,430 --> 00:29:08,880
make sense of this absurdity to propose

770
00:29:14,870 --> 00:29:11,440
meaning behind the absurdity via coded

771
00:29:17,190 --> 00:29:14,880
messages and things like koan moves

772
00:29:20,230 --> 00:29:17,200
another possibility that arises is

773
00:29:22,310 --> 00:29:20,240
higher dimensional space disparities

774
00:29:23,669 --> 00:29:22,320
now to bring your attention to this i

775
00:29:26,710 --> 00:29:23,679
would point out that there was a book

776
00:29:28,950 --> 00:29:26,720
written in the past called flatland

777
00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:28,960
which describes beings living in a

778
00:29:33,269 --> 00:29:30,640
two-dimensional space

779
00:29:34,950 --> 00:29:33,279
and they are confounded by the actions

780
00:29:37,190 --> 00:29:34,960
of someone who is existing in

781
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:37,200
three-dimensional space and of course if

782
00:29:40,710 --> 00:29:39,120
you live in three-dimensional space you

783
00:29:43,830 --> 00:29:40,720
can do things that end up looking

784
00:29:45,830 --> 00:29:43,840
bizarre and absurd to the beings living

785
00:29:48,310 --> 00:29:45,840
in two-dimensional space

786
00:29:51,190 --> 00:29:48,320
so to use that analogy here the idea is

787
00:29:53,350 --> 00:29:51,200
that if this is some sort of entity or

788
00:29:55,269 --> 00:29:53,360
intelligence or group of beings coming

789
00:29:57,029 --> 00:29:55,279
from fifth dimensional space or

790
00:29:59,590 --> 00:29:57,039
something like that

791
00:30:02,950 --> 00:29:59,600
their behavior would look paradoxical

792
00:30:04,950 --> 00:30:02,960
bizarre and even perhaps absurd to us

793
00:30:07,590 --> 00:30:04,960
this is yet another way that people try

794
00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:07,600
to make sense of the apparent absurdity

795
00:30:10,870 --> 00:30:09,360
in the data

796
00:30:12,549 --> 00:30:10,880
a final possibility that i would

797
00:30:14,789 --> 00:30:12,559
postulate that others have pointed out

798
00:30:17,190 --> 00:30:14,799
to me as well specifically people who've

799
00:30:19,590 --> 00:30:17,200
had encounters with the graves

800
00:30:21,269 --> 00:30:19,600
is that the end goal is just secrecy for

801
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:21,279
the sake of secrecy

802
00:30:25,350 --> 00:30:23,039
that perhaps this is like a sleight of

803
00:30:27,350 --> 00:30:25,360
hand trick where they are distracting us

804
00:30:29,830 --> 00:30:27,360
on one level while doing something

805
00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:29,840
deeper and potentially more nefarious on

806
00:30:33,750 --> 00:30:31,840
another level so in other words

807
00:30:35,909 --> 00:30:33,760
according to this possibility the

808
00:30:38,789 --> 00:30:35,919
absurdity is just meant to confound us

809
00:30:40,470 --> 00:30:38,799
to confuse us to obfuscate what is

810
00:30:42,149 --> 00:30:40,480
actually going on

811
00:30:45,029 --> 00:30:42,159
i would also add that you could suggest

812
00:30:46,789 --> 00:30:45,039
this is a cultural mismatch that again

813
00:30:48,870 --> 00:30:46,799
there are translation errors and that's

814
00:30:50,630 --> 00:30:48,880
why things look so bizarre

815
00:30:52,710 --> 00:30:50,640
but the part that's hard to reconcile

816
00:30:55,430 --> 00:30:52,720
with that notion is that some elements

817
00:30:57,669 --> 00:30:55,440
do seem to fit our cultural expectations

818
00:31:00,549 --> 00:30:57,679
while others are jarring exceptions to

819
00:31:02,389 --> 00:31:00,559
that rule so why would that be the case

820
00:31:04,789 --> 00:31:02,399
from my point of view cultural

821
00:31:07,269 --> 00:31:04,799
differences alone don't fully explain

822
00:31:09,509 --> 00:31:07,279
the degree of absurdity apparent in

823
00:31:11,190 --> 00:31:09,519
these kind of encounters over the course

824
00:31:13,190 --> 00:31:11,200
of history

825
00:31:15,830 --> 00:31:13,200
and for that matter the idea that this

826
00:31:17,190 --> 00:31:15,840
is just done to confound us while

827
00:31:18,389 --> 00:31:17,200
secretive things are done that are more

828
00:31:20,389 --> 00:31:18,399
nefarious

829
00:31:22,710 --> 00:31:20,399
that also doesn't seem like the best fit

830
00:31:25,269 --> 00:31:22,720
of the data from my point of view if

831
00:31:27,430 --> 00:31:25,279
their goal was merely to confuse us and

832
00:31:28,789 --> 00:31:27,440
distract us they could do it through

833
00:31:30,549 --> 00:31:28,799
other means

834
00:31:33,029 --> 00:31:30,559
i think that the absurdity is pointing

835
00:31:34,630 --> 00:31:33,039
to something more than that at least

836
00:31:37,909 --> 00:31:34,640
some elements of the absurdity are

837
00:31:40,470 --> 00:31:37,919
pointing towards something else entirely

838
00:31:42,710 --> 00:31:40,480
now elsewhere valley has also spoken

839
00:31:45,590 --> 00:31:42,720
about the absurdity as part of his

840
00:31:48,549 --> 00:31:45,600
control system hypothesis specifically

841
00:31:50,789 --> 00:31:48,559
that you could use absurdity to change

842
00:31:52,470 --> 00:31:50,799
the course of human history on an

843
00:31:54,710 --> 00:31:52,480
unconscious level but that's where you

844
00:31:57,029 --> 00:31:54,720
sort of lever the change and you could

845
00:31:59,029 --> 00:31:57,039
do that right underneath the noses of

846
00:32:01,830 --> 00:31:59,039
the powerful elite

847
00:32:03,509 --> 00:32:01,840
because the absurdity distracts them

848
00:32:05,830 --> 00:32:03,519
keeps their attention elsewhere they

849
00:32:07,909 --> 00:32:05,840
don't pay attention to it because of the

850
00:32:09,350 --> 00:32:07,919
absurdity itself

851
00:32:11,590 --> 00:32:09,360
these are a couple of statements that

852
00:32:14,789 --> 00:32:11,600
valet has made to that effect in his

853
00:32:17,029 --> 00:32:14,799
book messengers of deception quote the

854
00:32:18,950 --> 00:32:17,039
social sciences have not yet achieved an

855
00:32:22,149 --> 00:32:18,960
understanding of the process by which

856
00:32:25,269 --> 00:32:22,159
new religious experiences arise and new

857
00:32:28,070 --> 00:32:25,279
sects become influential churches

858
00:32:30,870 --> 00:32:28,080
also revolutionary cultural changes

859
00:32:34,389 --> 00:32:30,880
often appear at first as the ufo sects

860
00:32:38,549 --> 00:32:34,399
do today to be irrational absurd and

861
00:32:40,950 --> 00:32:38,559
contemptible unquote he also said quote

862
00:32:44,310 --> 00:32:40,960
the new belief is completely lacking in

863
00:32:47,269 --> 00:32:44,320
logic that is the key to its power it

864
00:32:49,430 --> 00:32:47,279
serves to keep scientists away the more

865
00:32:51,750 --> 00:32:49,440
absurd the statement the stronger its

866
00:32:55,430 --> 00:32:51,760
effect when the establishment is

867
00:32:56,389 --> 00:32:55,440
rational the irrationality is dynamite

868
00:32:57,909 --> 00:32:56,399
unquote

869
00:32:59,830 --> 00:32:57,919
and again that points to what i was just

870
00:33:01,669 --> 00:32:59,840
talking about that you can keep the

871
00:33:03,750 --> 00:33:01,679
establishment the powers that be

872
00:33:06,389 --> 00:33:03,760
distracted because they won't pay

873
00:33:09,269 --> 00:33:06,399
attention when absurdity is in the mix

874
00:33:10,789 --> 00:33:09,279
but the populace can be greatly affected

875
00:33:12,630 --> 00:33:10,799
and valet's point is that already

876
00:33:14,950 --> 00:33:12,640
happens with churches and cults and

877
00:33:17,590 --> 00:33:14,960
whatnot and at the time that he wrote

878
00:33:20,630 --> 00:33:17,600
these two books passport to magonia and

879
00:33:22,870 --> 00:33:20,640
messengers of deception he was proposing

880
00:33:25,830 --> 00:33:22,880
that perhaps we would see the formation

881
00:33:29,350 --> 00:33:25,840
of churches religious organizations

882
00:33:30,950 --> 00:33:29,360
built around the mythos of these benign

883
00:33:32,310 --> 00:33:30,960
alien visitors

884
00:33:34,470 --> 00:33:32,320
as it turns out that didn't really

885
00:33:36,389 --> 00:33:34,480
happen historically we have to point

886
00:33:38,630 --> 00:33:36,399
that out but nevertheless this is a

887
00:33:41,669 --> 00:33:38,640
really insightful point that valet is

888
00:33:44,310 --> 00:33:41,679
making about how absurdity can become a

889
00:33:46,630 --> 00:33:44,320
subversive means to control an entire

890
00:33:48,230 --> 00:33:46,640
populace

891
00:33:51,190 --> 00:33:48,240
and now i'd like to leave you with a few

892
00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:51,200
concluding thoughts to consider

893
00:33:55,909 --> 00:33:53,440
first off from my point of view

894
00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:55,919
a key endeavor we should engage in as

895
00:33:59,990 --> 00:33:58,080
i've been saying for some time now

896
00:34:02,630 --> 00:34:00,000
is to see if we can tease out of the

897
00:34:05,990 --> 00:34:02,640
data certain patterns indicating

898
00:34:08,869 --> 00:34:06,000
different actors agendas and origins

899
00:34:10,710 --> 00:34:08,879
from within the totality of the data

900
00:34:13,030 --> 00:34:10,720
of course we have to be careful to not

901
00:34:15,669 --> 00:34:13,040
merely see what we want to see i.e

902
00:34:18,310 --> 00:34:15,679
confirmation bias but with appropriate

903
00:34:21,589 --> 00:34:18,320
checks and balances in place i think

904
00:34:23,510 --> 00:34:21,599
this can be done and done effectively

905
00:34:25,909 --> 00:34:23,520
we should also remember that while you

906
00:34:28,629 --> 00:34:25,919
can't recreate the ufo phenomenon under

907
00:34:31,030 --> 00:34:28,639
lab conditions generally speaking

908
00:34:33,190 --> 00:34:31,040
you can test a hypothesis by seeing how

909
00:34:35,270 --> 00:34:33,200
historic cases fit

910
00:34:36,950 --> 00:34:35,280
similar to what we do with evolution and

911
00:34:39,109 --> 00:34:36,960
the fossil record

912
00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:39,119
ultimately we should favor hypotheses

913
00:34:45,750 --> 00:34:42,960
that fit the data as closely as possible

914
00:34:48,149 --> 00:34:45,760
as we often find with the ufo phenomenon

915
00:34:51,270 --> 00:34:48,159
the elements of absurdity need to be

916
00:34:52,950 --> 00:34:51,280
parsed out as much as possible because i

917
00:34:55,909 --> 00:34:52,960
believe they can perhaps best be

918
00:34:57,829 --> 00:34:55,919
attributed to different origins

919
00:35:00,310 --> 00:34:57,839
of course this is tricky because so much

920
00:35:03,030 --> 00:35:00,320
of this process comes down to our own

921
00:35:06,710 --> 00:35:03,040
subjective impressions regarding what is

922
00:35:08,550 --> 00:35:06,720
and isn't absurd or unreasonable to

923
00:35:10,550 --> 00:35:08,560
begin with

924
00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:10,560
once we've done this i feel like we

925
00:35:15,750 --> 00:35:13,200
might see over time that different

926
00:35:19,670 --> 00:35:15,760
elements emerge from within that blended

927
00:35:22,390 --> 00:35:19,680
totality we call the ufo phenomenon

928
00:35:23,430 --> 00:35:22,400
now some elements may be cleaner than

929
00:35:26,069 --> 00:35:23,440
others

930
00:35:28,870 --> 00:35:26,079
i think these cleaner less convoluted

931
00:35:30,870 --> 00:35:28,880
elements point perhaps to a different

932
00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:30,880
origin than those emblazoned with

933
00:35:35,910 --> 00:35:33,599
bizarre elements of absurdity

934
00:35:39,109 --> 00:35:35,920
i think this latter kind are pointing

935
00:35:40,950 --> 00:35:39,119
perhaps to a different source altogether

936
00:35:43,750 --> 00:35:40,960
one that is not actually one of the

937
00:35:46,150 --> 00:35:43,760
usual players we think of in terms of

938
00:35:49,109 --> 00:35:46,160
the various common hypotheses put

939
00:35:50,710 --> 00:35:49,119
forward to explain the ufo phenomenon

940
00:35:52,710 --> 00:35:50,720
here i speak of the extraterrestrial

941
00:35:55,670 --> 00:35:52,720
hypothesis the interdimensional

942
00:35:59,190 --> 00:35:55,680
hypothesis the future human hypothesis

943
00:36:01,750 --> 00:35:59,200
the crypto-terrestrial hypothesis etc

944
00:36:04,230 --> 00:36:01,760
an alternative hypothesis postulated to

945
00:36:07,109 --> 00:36:04,240
specifically make sense of the group of

946
00:36:10,069 --> 00:36:07,119
others embedded within this particular

947
00:36:13,109 --> 00:36:10,079
fog of absurdity is something i plan to

948
00:36:15,990 --> 00:36:13,119
continue to roll out piece by piece over

949
00:36:18,470 --> 00:36:16,000
the course of time on this podcast

950
00:36:20,150 --> 00:36:18,480
so i hope you'll continue to tune in as

951
00:36:22,550 --> 00:36:20,160
we proceed with this fascinating

952
00:36:24,230 --> 00:36:22,560
discussion in the weeks and months to

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00:36:28,790 --> 00:36:24,240
come

954
00:36:31,109 --> 00:36:28,800
of another edition of the point of

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00:36:33,430 --> 00:36:31,119
convergence podcast if you'd like to

956
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959
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but until next time friends from deep

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00:36:45,750 --> 00:36:42,320
within the blue ridge mountains of north

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carolina this is exo academian signing